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Set in post-apocalyptic 2018, John Connor is the man fated to lead the human resistance against Skynet and its army of Terminators. But the future Connor was raised to believe in is altered in part by the appearance of Marcus Wright, a stranger whose last memory is of being on death row. Connor must decide whether Marcus has been sent from the future, or rescued from the past. As Skynet prepares its final onslaught, Connor and Marcus both embark on an odyssey that takes them into the heart of Skynet's operations, where they uncover the terrible secret behind the possible annihilation of mankind.
The war between man and machine is waging and humanity's savior, John Connor is doing his best. He learns that his nemesis, Skynet is searching for the one who will father him, Kyle Reese so he tries to find him. And at the same time he thinks he found a way to stop Skynet. One of Connor's people gets in trouble and meets a man named Marcus who has not knowledge of Judgement Day and the War. It seems like he was a man who was about to be executed just before Judgement Day and before his execution, a doctor approached him asking if he would allow her to use his body for a project she's working on and he agreed. Which was his last memory. When he and the rebel return to camp something happens and when Marcus awakens he is chained up and Connor shows him that he is not completely human. Connor thinks he's one of Skynet's Terminators who was sent to kill him and Kyle Reese. Marcus denies what he is talking about and tells Connor that he was with Kyle Reese and that he was captured and is being brought to Skynet. Connor sets out to rescue Kyle. The woman Marcus left helps him escape and when Connor confronts him, Marcus says he will do what he can to save Kyle. Connor lets him go.
I walked out of terminator salvation with more questions than i had begun in with. I walked in wondering whether despite the general critique of the film (which seems quite divided) would i re-live some of the emotions i had had when i first saw terminator 1 and to a lesser degree 2 and of course 2 reloaded with some old gov as a terminator. Well the answer i came up with was sort of. Should i pick the film apart from the football field size plot holes which have all been discussed here. I.E if i were sky-net i would make a couple more robots in one of my major production facilities to maybe kill humans if they some how climb in through the front door etc etc. or should i just enjoy the film loud in full surround with stuff blowing up everywhere and some good special effects thrown in for good measure (except glassy eyed Arnie T-800) Well i guess i enjoy both, there are many independent cinemas out there showing wonderful and confronting stories of old and new for my creative and analytical mind to watch. There are also many multiplexes out there with gigantic screens, insane sound systems and films with enough brain numbing SFX sequences to keep me coming back grabbing my medium popcorn and munching on some not so good for my smarts film
all in all i had a good time with Terminator Salvation, as long as i don't think too hard about it.
I just saw the film at 12:55. First of all, the film is GOOD!. I was actually surprised by the quality of the film. I mean, I understand some of the "errors" that can be seen in the film. But they are just a little STUPID. Why? Let me begin:
1> there are some critics saying something like in the following lines: "What McG forgot was that T1 and T2 began with intense battles of the future" WHAT IS WRONG WITH THESE CRITICS! After Marcus is introduced as a prisoner waiting execution, the first thing you see is A BATTLE BETWEEN SKYNET AND THE RESISTANCE!!!!!
2> Some critics argue that the dialogue is bad.
Personally, the dialogue didn't seem bad at all. It was normal. I specially liked the part when John says "I'll be back" and the little " What makes us human" soliloquy that Marcus has at the end. By the way, the "I'll be back" was the only retroactive dialogue from T1 and T2.
3>Some say that you see Arnold only for a little time.
First of all, people already know that Arnold will only be seen for an instance. So this argument is just stupid.Furthermore, there are about two close ups in a lapse of about two minutes before the skin is peeled off. Moreover, what do these critics expect? They seem to expect Arnold to quit his job to come and shoot this movie. C'MON!I actually appreciate the fact that McG took the care enough to include Arnold at least for an instance in his movie. Now, I will say that the scene where you John says that Skynet is experimenting with human tissue to create the T-800 is not included.Thus, the movie is not able to explain real well how did the T-800 with the "Arnold" image came into existence. Arnold basically kind of pops up. Also, Bale could have improved this part by acting a little more surprised or fearful.
4> THE FREAKING MOVIE IS ALREADY IN THE FUTURE! IT WOULD BE STUPID TO NARRATATE THE STORY OF T1, T2,and T3 AGAIN. Moreover, the purpose of the resistance fighting is SUMMARIZED IN THE BEGINNING!.
5> Some say that Bale's performance was bad, almost pathetic. OK, let us review. John Connor is a leader of the Resistance. He has been fighting since 2003. The machines are becoming more powerful. WHAT DO YOU EXPECT HIM TO BE? A CLOWN? A GUY THAT JUST LAUGHS WHILE TERMINATORS ARE TRYING TO KILL HIM? As far as I know, his performance of a battle-ridden, hardcore leader is excellent.Indeed, his rebellious nature (remember T2) is seen in some instances of the film. Also, what is wrong with the Batman voice? Let me put it this way, it is Bale's voice that makes the Batman voice, not Batman's voice that makes Bale's voice! This argument is just stupid, he was just speaking normally, just a little lower to give some intensity, that is all. GOSH!
6>Some say that the story shows no advancement of the franchise. ARE YOU KIDDING ME? ARE YOU SERIOUS? I am sorry, I have to ask this again. ARE YOU FREAKING SERIOUS? IT SEEMS THAT YOU, CRITICS, DID NOT WATCHED THE MOVIE AND WERE SO CONCENTRATED ON WATCHING WHEN ARNOLD WOULD BE BACK THAT YOU MISSED THE WHOLE POINT. THE STORY IS ABOUT THE EMERGENCE OF THE INFILTRATOR PROGRAM!!!!!
7> Some cite bad directing and bad editing. Let me say that I understand what they are saying. I understand why they are saying it. I admit that there were about three times were the changes in scenes did not fit well (i.e. errors, for ex. one takes a shirt off, then has the shirt on). But I will tell you what I thing happened here: time constrain. McG said that the DVD version will have about 40 minutes of deleted scenes, INCLUDING SOME WHERE JOHN and the other characters WILL come into FOCUS. I think that the production company forced McG to decrease the length of the movie. Therefore, he was forced to omit many scenes that were the ones in between these cuts. I look forward for the DVD because I hope that McG's full version will actually prove these critics, who think that he was a bad director, wrong and shut them up.
Let me discuss the last statement above. McG has potential. This movie proves it. I will tell you some of the reasons. If you remember Star Trek because of the laughs, you will remember TS because of the feel of reality and peril that it transmits. (let me mention that Star Trek was good, but not that remarkable. I would give it about 3/4 stars. Also, Kirk and Spock did not seemed to be really in harm's way during the last scenes. I mean, you would expect the enormous Romulan ship like that one shown to be packed with people as in the Enterprise. Of course, there were an immense number of hallways, but only one or two people trying to kill Kirk or Spock. Also, how can such an advanced ship only shoot six missiles? Come on!)Let me continue by saying that there are many instances were McG pays tribute to the T1 and T2 and he does it really well. The action scenes are awesome and the story is well explained, explained well enough that you are able to understand the PURPOSE OF MARCUS.
This movie is Definitely UNDERRATED. IT IS GOOD AND I RECOMMEND IT. WATCH IT.
Conclusion: If you don't like it, that is fine. I though it was good. Definitely BETTER THAN T3. I look forward for T5.
Overall rate: 3/4 stars Comments: Room for improvement. Should have included scene where John explains the existence of the T-800. More focus on the other characters too. Good overall.
Darker, grimmer and more stylistically single-minded than its two relatively giddy predecessors, Terminator Salvation boasts the kind of singular vision that distinguished the James Cameron original, the full-throttle kinetics of "Speed" and an old-fashioned regard for human (and humanoid) heroics.
It could also be argued that the events of the previous films have changed the future, John commenting that the situation he finds himself in is not the future his mother prepared him for. Hence the resistance we see in this film is a very different organisation to that we see in previous films, less a guerrilla army and more like a conventional military force with jets, helicopters and submarines.
From a technical standpoint, the filmmakers very likely wanted to showcase the various kinds of elaborate robots and vehicles in a way that the audience could see more clearly, which also detracts from the level of terror/horror conveyed in the noir-esque R-rated earlier films of the series, so in a sense, Terminator Salvation is more "child-friendly" and therefore more easily reaches a broader audience, not to mention that the broad collection of robots and vehicles depicted get to be reproduced in the form basically of toys. On one hand this all could be seen as demerit, but on the other, it is something of a compensation for the very dark tone of the overall calamity inherent in post-apocalyptic war stories featuring, in part, all sorts of frightened, hungry, delirious, sick, injured or dying orphans struggling to find refuge, safety, comfort and belonging. It's more challenging to derive an uplifting story from such scenarios, so shedding some light is perhaps the least a filmmaker could do. In the first film, Kyle Reese, who arrived from 2029, mentioned that "the 600 series had rubber skin, but these [T-800s] are new." However, in the movie, which takes place in 2018, John Connor says, "But this is not the future my mother warned me about," which can be applied to any inconsistency within the franchise. This is not the same future from the one seen in the first two movies. Judgment Day was postponed in T2, and this film follows T3, where Judgment Day took place in 2004 and not 1997. The time-travelers from the first three films have provided John with prior knowledge that he normally would not have known until much later. In this case, John already learned before Judgment Day from his mother and his Terminator protectors that Skynet was going to make T-800s with human skin. Knowing this, he could actively search out where the prototype was, and destroy it, delaying their production until mid-2020. Had no one traveled back through time, he would not have known beforehand and he would have encountered them in 2018. Likewise, since Judgment Day was postponed until 2004, the state of technology had advanced much more before the war as compared to 1997, enabling Skynet to produce T-800s with human skin much earlier, as well as many other types of Terminators (Hydrobots, Harvesters and Mototerminators). The subsequent time-travels have given John (but also Skynet) a closer look at things to come, and in that way altered the time-lines to some extent. Some of them did. The one that attacked Marcus and Kyle had a little bit from what had either deteriorated or had been lost in battle; it even had clothes on, as did the sentry at the Skynet processing center. Seeing as how the machines don't groom themselves, their rubber skin either deteriorates with wear or from battle, as does their clothing. Also, the T-600s appeared to be common soldiers and not infiltration units. Perhaps, but it was also a different model of terminator, probably a T-600. The T-800 isn't referred to until a few minutes later when the Resistance downloads the information on it from the computer they find. Up until that time, Skynet might have been using different alloy to construct the T-600s, and it may not have been dense enough to be bulletproof or resistant. It's probably safe to say that Connor and other Resistance fighters had been able to get hold of armor-piercing ammunition. Keep in mind, this was in 2018 and the Judgement Day war had been raging for almost 20 years by that point. While the weapons look like regular, current military weapons, they could be modified to fire special ammunition invented specifically to fight machines. If you watch closely, Reese never comes into contact with the T-800 Model 101 prototype while it had its skin. John fires his grenade launcher at the T-800 fairly quickly, destroying its flesh. Therefore, even when Reese saw the T-800 with its skin, it was obscured briefly before it was destroyed. Also, the adrenaline and overall stress of the situation probably would be enough for him not to remember the face in the brief shot he would have had to look at it. He got a good look only at its endoskeleton. Another possibility is that Kyle knew what the Terminator looked like, but he didn't know which model was the one that would try to kill Sarah Connor. In The Terminator, Kyle said the Terminator was "Cyberdyne Systems model 101" and the model 101s are the Terminators with Schwarzenegger's face and there are different models with different features, so he knew what the Terminator looked like. He may not have known which one would be sent back to kill Sarah until he saw him in the past. According to director McG:
Kyle Reese must be kept alive, so he can be sent back in time from 2029 to protect Sarah Connor, impregnate her, and she'll give birth to John Connor, who will save us all. And the simplest way to understand that is to protect the triangle of Kyle, John and Sarah. Any deconstruction of that leads to more headache than satisfaction. [TerminatorChronicles.com]
In other words: Skynet already knows Kyle will travel back in time and become John's father. It also knows that in the near future, as a desperate measure, it will try to alter the past in its own favour. But in 2018, Skynet may not be ready yet to change the time-line, thinking it can still win in the traditional way. According to chaos theory, a chain of events is an extremely complex process, making the effects of altering the past impossible to predict: with Kyle dead and Connor completely removed from the time-line, perhaps someone else will become the leader of the Human Resistance, someone who might be even smarter and tougher than Connor. Skynet obviously didn't consider this when it sent the Terminators back to eliminate him, given that John & co. had breached its inner defenses and it was about to be destroyed anyway.
In one way of thinking, the best strategy for Skynet to win in 2018 is to lure Connor when he is rising to power, kill him and the Resistance leaders then, and leave the resistence in disarray. Another theory is that Skynet probably didn't want to cause a time paradox that would endanger itself: if it killed Kyle, the future of 2018 would be reset; John would not have been born and he wouldn't rise to be the Resistance leader, giving Skynet no reason to kill Kyle; the "predictable" future would cease to exist, and Skynet would have to start all over again and might even destroy itself in the process. It would be easier to kill Connor now and Skynet would win the war in 2018, instead of killing Kyle, resetting the future, and starting all over again. A third theory is that three different theories of time travel are used. In The Terminator, they introduced the idea that time is static, like a train track. Everything that happened was meant to happen, and the outcome would be the same, no matter what the characters did. T2 introduced the idea of alternate realities. In this reality, Skynet was destroyed and then the characters could pick and choose their own futures, and the future of Kyle Reese would never exist. The third film used the idea that time is fluid, like a river. The events of the second film changed history, but couldn't rewrite it. Future events would still happen; they could be delayed, but never eliminated. The fourth film tries to go back to the idea of alternate realities, in that this future is different than Kyle Reese's original future, but it appears that there were so many plot holes, they're actually back to using the "time is fluid" idea.
Looking back at the events of the first two Terminator films, we find that not only does John Connor send back his dad, to ensure his birth, but Skynet by default jump-starts its creation. If the Terminator was not sent to 1984, then Cyberdyne would never have gotten the Terminator arm and the CPU, and would not have started work on it. Skynet's creation was probably inevitable, like Judgment Day. The risk of no Connor runs the risk that the Terminator will not have had the influence on Cyberdyne and, therefore, no Skynet.
There is another theory is that it is not a paradox as such, more an alteration of the timeline and some clever writing by James Cameron. It is possible that, in 1984, the man who cancelled a date with Sarah Connor (a message on her answering machine) was indeed John Connor's "original" father. With Skynet sending the T-800 back in time, altering Sarah's traditional timeline, and in turn John sending Kyle Reese back in time; these events inadvertently altered John's birth father to become Kyle, rather than the unknown cancelled date. In effect, Sarah Connor would have become pregnant either way, "John" would have been born either way, and he still would have sent back Kyle (father or not). In Salvation, Connor does not know about an alternate father, but for his own version of time to exist, he *must* send back Kyle. Skynet killing Kyle will help the Salvation 2018 timeline, but not eliminate John in any event. The same Cyberdyne didn't need the Terminator arm and the CPU, as it would have eventually come to be, without T-800 or Kyle being sent back. The year is 2018; the future scenes in the previous films took place in 2029. Therefore, it's likely the machines hadn't invented the technology yet, which is referred to as "phased plasma", and the resistance hadn't captured the technology. The Harvester, Moto-Terminators, and HKs are the only machines that have the plasma firing weapons, and Skynet probably hadn't figured out a way to scale them down or develop them into hand-held weapons to be used by the infiltrator units like the T-800. The T-600 in Los Angeles was carrying a minigun as were the T-70s that were seen in the prisoner processing center. When Marcus is talking with the Skynet simulation of Dr. Kogan, she states that Skynet tricked the Resistance into thinking they would win the war by supplying them with a signal that would deactivate any terminators within its range. The Resistance leadership believed that they should have an all-out assault on Skynet with the use of this signal. Also, the machines captured Kyle Reese in order to lure John Connor into Skynet's headquarters. The whole point of Marcus being created was to get Connor to believe Marcus actually wanted to help him rescue Kyle. The best way for a machine to convince John Connor? Make him seemingly human and truly want to rescue Reese. This was all unknown to Marcus who believed he was actually doing this of his free will, but the scenario was already planned by Skynet and was programmed in Marcus' subroutine to help Connor. So when Resistance Command gave the order to attack, Skynet was able to trace their signal and destroy their headquarters, the submarine. The next phase was to create pressure on Connor with the knowledge that Kyle Reese is in Skynet and the Resistance is planning on bombing it, thus luring Connor into Skynet to rescue him with Marcus' help and have Connor killed by the T-800. (Possibly because of, as stated in Terminator 3, his boyhood connection to that model, it allowed him to get close enough to kill him, but Connor knew better.) That part of the plan backfired when Marcus resisted his programming and rescued Connor and Kyle Reese. No. John fires his M4 at the Terminator, hitting him in the chest and stomach, and it clearly causes damage. Then, John fires his grenade launcher at it, firing incendiary grenades which burn and melt off the Terminator's skin. The ensuing hand-to-hand combat between John/Marcus and the T-800 was with no weapons, except a few scraps of metal. Molten metal is poured on the T-800 as well, but because that type "was an earlier steel process [of molten steel] after it had been separated from the coke" and because "it was frozen quickly enough by the [liquid nitrogen]," the T-800 didn't melt (as explained here by the film's director, McG). Another possibility on why the molten steel didn't affect it was because there wasn't enough to melt it before all of the combined steel reached thermal equilibrium, which was cooler in the net effect. In T2, the Terminator sat for a few minutes to melt in a large pool of molten steel that was likely being kept hot by a persistent heating mechanism. (The aforementioned considerations involve the nuances of thermodynamics.) It's also possible the T-800 was an advanced prototype. Perhaps this T-RIP (Resistance Infiltrator Prototype) was built stronger than the others specifically to kill Connor, or, because Connor destroyed the Terminator factory, Skynet's research was set back and their later productions were less advanced, which may explain how it had better scanners. Also, John fires at a steam line, puncturing it and releasing gas (it isn't known if it's supercooled or simply just air or some other gas) that rapidly cools the molten steel. The cooling effect could have been fast enough (in a strictly Hollywood sense) to prevent major damage to the T-800's endoskeleton. While Reese and Star (Jadagrace) take the elevator up to the transport, John heads back into the Skynet base to continue the fight. He is joined by Marcus, now under his own control having torn out the hardware at the back of his head that links him to Skynet, and together they take on a new T-800 model 101 Terminator. Marcus is "terminated", but John manages to get his heart started again by fashioning a makeshift defibrillator. However, the T-800 impales John with a shaft of metal, mortally wounding him. After taking out the T-800, Marcus helps John out to the waiting transport, which Kate orders to take them to the nearest safe zone. While in flight, Star hands John the detonator for the Terminator fuel cells that he rigged together earlier, and he blows up the Skynet base. Later, on the ground, Kate determines that John's heart is too badly wounded and that he will surely die. "Take mine," Marcus replies, offering his living heart to John. As they prepare for the transplant, John says (in a voiceover): What is it that makes us human? It's not something you can program. You can't put it into a chip. It's the strength of a human heart...the difference between us and machines. In the final scene, John radios to the Resistance fighters that, though this battle has been won, the war is far from over. Arnold Schwarzenegger's face was scanned from a previous movie and placed on a stunt double's body using CGI. The result is the T-800 that appears at the end of the movie. Other than that, Schwarzenegger does not appear in any other way and didn't actually shoot any scenes for this movie. This technique is revisited in the sequel, Terminator Genisys, for one special scene. In an interview shortly after the film's release, Arnold Schwarzenegger said, I'm open to all those things, if it's True Lies, Terminator, a well-made Terminator... the last one was awful. It tried hard, not that they didn't try, the acting and everything. It missed the boat. In the mid-2010s, while promoting Terminator: Genisys, he was asked about Terminator Salvation and he simply said, "It sucked." No. Director McG has cited the impracticality of integrating plot elements from the show:
McG confirmed that he's remaining true to the mythology set up in the first two James Cameron movies, but can't possibly include things introduced during Fox's series "The Sarah Connor Chronicles." "Hats off to the third movie, but we paid attention to the first two pictures, and I'm buddies with Josh and everybody who runs "Sarah Connor Chronicles" but from my experience in one-hour episodic television, those guys are in the writers' room banging out stories left, right and center, and for us to chase those story threads, I think, would be a disservice to our picture. We honor Judgment Day timing, we honor the 2029, we honor the coming of the T-800. [Comingsoon.net]They are however both canon. The Sarah Connor Chronicles and Salvation take place in alternate timelines that are far removed from each other. McG talked to James Cameron in New Zealand when the latter was filming Avatar. There, Cameron told him about how when he was making Aliens, following Ridley Scott, and how people were skeptical of him, much like McG. They later had several phone calls, talking at great lengths about the story, and Cameron suggested Sam Worthington, the star of Avatar, to be the Marcus character. Yes. Terminator Salvation director McG has stated that there will be many references to the previous three films (the first two especially), including quotes. Here are some quotes used in the film:
"I'll be back." - John Connor
"Come with me if you want to live." - Kyle Reese
"What day is it? What year?" - Marcus Wright
"Drive." - Marcus Wright
"There is no fate but what we make." - John Connor (final line)
"Get out!" - Marcus Wright to Star (but in a more aggressive and high tone, and not the traditional way). Danny Elfman wrote new themes for this film, but based them on the theme from the previous Terminator movies. He did, however, utilize Brad Fiedel's original, and now famous, pounding 5-note "Terminator" motif during the opening credits, during the appearance of the Arnold Schwarzenegger model Terminator in the climax, and at the close of the movie right before the end credits. Regarding Nick Stahl, MTV Movies Blog reported: In regards to the soon-to-shoot Terminator Salvation: The Future Begins, Stahl said he had been told some time ago that his considerable talents would not be required for the fourth movie, although he is scratching his head over rumors that Bale will be 30 years old in the flick.
"They said it would be a 50-year-old man, but I guess they reduced the age a little bit," Stahl said of how the franchise producers had explained the plot to him. "That's what they told me very early on [in development of the 'Salvation' script]. That it was gonna take place further in the future, and I probably wouldn't be on." a5c7b9f00b
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