/ ahumphries92pike's Library/ Notes/ The plaza was just installed about 2 years ago so there was no previous opportunity for anyone to be here because "here" didn't exist.
The plaza was just installed about 2 years ago so there was no previous opportunity for anyone to be here because "here" didn't exist.
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I believe the trouble started when Wiener initiated the sit-on-a-towel rule? Which attracted a group of other nudists to the region?
The plaza was installed in what still is the street, and opened right after the current supervisor was elected, (the plaza was in the works for years before he arrived yet). Previously, naked folks would walk the area and typically just congregate at a place called "Hibernia Beach". This is a street corner where a big bank building is, (now known as Bank of America), and one of the few areas in the area where the sun beams through the shadows caused by the other buildings. "Hibernia beach" was so named in the 1970's after the bank that occupied the building back then. It is been known as a spot to see scantily clad and bare people for decades.
I hadn't believed the towel rule was a terrible thing for the nudists?
(who usually sit on a towel regardless, though I imagine I can not attest to the Castro nudists' towel etiquette), but what do you think was the true goal behind it? Was it truly to enact a law to get nudists to always sit on a towel, or did he have some other program?
The towel legislation was an effort by the manager to get media attention and it worked. Everyone I know already sat on towels as common recognized nudist courtesy. The outdoor furniture within SF is just not well preserved, often filthy and would not be safe to put your bare buttocks on.
Were any of the exhibitionists ever arrested for lewd behaviour? If not, would you believe they should've been?
The SFPD has no records of arrests for lewd actions during the past two years since the plaza was started.
Would you believe the exhibitionists are the motive Wiener suggested the nudity prohibition? If so, how should he have managed it? Or is he merely anti-nudity?
Wiener introduced the ban to increase his media exposure and pump up his name recognition amounts. I met with him in his office at his invitation prior to the introduction of the laws, and he wasn't interested in any community based alternatives. The assembly was actually a fishing expedition so he could ascertain how well organized the naturist activists are and the type of resistance we'd introduce to the laws. There were only ever two guys I saw in the plaza that I would have described as exhibitionists. The conduct I found was not lewd to me, but didn't match up to my comprehension of suitable non-sexual urban naturist behaviour either. If you will excuse my candidness, standing naked on the corner and making your member twirl like an airplane propeller just isn't good nudist actions in my opinion, despite the fact that this conduct didn't bother me personally.
Do lots of the Castro naturists wear cock rings? What's your view on wearing cock rings in public settings for decoration (not sexual) purposes?
Personally, I do not wear a cock ring. Only a small number of guys do in my observation. I thought it was likely to be a problem and I wasn't in favor of it at first. Then I took an opinion poll in my online Yahoo group and I saw that the vast majority of respondents considered cock rings similar to bracelets and necklaces. After https://videonudist.com/searches/nudist-wife/3/ , I was sufficiently convinced that a cock ring could be no different than every other body jewelry and simply wearing one isn't lewd.
Would you work with the Naturist Action Committee, and are they assisting with the lawsuit?
If the litigation does not succeed, how do you think the ban will change naturism / naturism?
Since much of the state, and the world, look to San Francisco as a leader in societal change, the prohibition, if passed and implemented, may have a chilling effect on both tolerance and urban nudism well beyond the bounds of our city.
Do you believe naturists should just go unclothed in clubs, beaches and other "designated areas"?
Sequestering individuals away behind walls or other bounds indicates their actions is black or otherwise unacceptable. Body disgrace is a learned behavior that is exacerbated when naturists conceal in resorts or other venues.
My bottom line is that I consider the body is a beautiful thing in all its many forms. I don't consider we desire to hide behind clothes in public or anyplace else. Body independence and acceptance isn't about being naked only at resorts, beaches or clubs.
Some say folks should not go about taking advantage of legal public nudity and go nude in urban areas because the city often ends up overturning that law and/or creating a new law to ban that independence. Just how can naturists prevent this from happening?
The plaza was installed in what still is the street, and opened right after the current supervisor was elected, (the plaza was in the works for years before he arrived yet). Previously, naked folks would walk the area and typically just congregate at a place called "Hibernia Beach". This is a street corner where a big bank building is, (now known as Bank of America), and one of the few areas in the area where the sun beams through the shadows caused by the other buildings. "Hibernia beach" was so named in the 1970's after the bank that occupied the building back then. It is been known as a spot to see scantily clad and bare people for decades.
I hadn't believed the towel rule was a terrible thing for the nudists?
(who usually sit on a towel regardless, though I imagine I can not attest to the Castro nudists' towel etiquette), but what do you think was the true goal behind it? Was it truly to enact a law to get nudists to always sit on a towel, or did he have some other program?
The towel legislation was an effort by the manager to get media attention and it worked. Everyone I know already sat on towels as common recognized nudist courtesy. The outdoor furniture within SF is just not well preserved, often filthy and would not be safe to put your bare buttocks on.
Were any of the exhibitionists ever arrested for lewd behaviour? If not, would you believe they should've been?
The SFPD has no records of arrests for lewd actions during the past two years since the plaza was started.
Would you believe the exhibitionists are the motive Wiener suggested the nudity prohibition? If so, how should he have managed it? Or is he merely anti-nudity?
Wiener introduced the ban to increase his media exposure and pump up his name recognition amounts. I met with him in his office at his invitation prior to the introduction of the laws, and he wasn't interested in any community based alternatives. The assembly was actually a fishing expedition so he could ascertain how well organized the naturist activists are and the type of resistance we'd introduce to the laws. There were only ever two guys I saw in the plaza that I would have described as exhibitionists. The conduct I found was not lewd to me, but didn't match up to my comprehension of suitable non-sexual urban naturist behaviour either. If you will excuse my candidness, standing naked on the corner and making your member twirl like an airplane propeller just isn't good nudist actions in my opinion, despite the fact that this conduct didn't bother me personally.
Do lots of the Castro naturists wear cock rings? What's your view on wearing cock rings in public settings for decoration (not sexual) purposes?
Personally, I do not wear a cock ring. Only a small number of guys do in my observation. I thought it was likely to be a problem and I wasn't in favor of it at first. Then I took an opinion poll in my online Yahoo group and I saw that the vast majority of respondents considered cock rings similar to bracelets and necklaces. After https://videonudist.com/searches/nudist-wife/3/ , I was sufficiently convinced that a cock ring could be no different than every other body jewelry and simply wearing one isn't lewd.
Would you work with the Naturist Action Committee, and are they assisting with the lawsuit?
If the litigation does not succeed, how do you think the ban will change naturism / naturism?
Since much of the state, and the world, look to San Francisco as a leader in societal change, the prohibition, if passed and implemented, may have a chilling effect on both tolerance and urban nudism well beyond the bounds of our city.
Do you believe naturists should just go unclothed in clubs, beaches and other "designated areas"?
Sequestering individuals away behind walls or other bounds indicates their actions is black or otherwise unacceptable. Body disgrace is a learned behavior that is exacerbated when naturists conceal in resorts or other venues.
My bottom line is that I consider the body is a beautiful thing in all its many forms. I don't consider we desire to hide behind clothes in public or anyplace else. Body independence and acceptance isn't about being naked only at resorts, beaches or clubs.
Some say folks should not go about taking advantage of legal public nudity and go nude in urban areas because the city often ends up overturning that law and/or creating a new law to ban that independence. Just how can naturists prevent this from happening?
