• not sure Scale is ready for primetime
• in my case being in the back of the server room doing one specific task really well with rock hard stability, and requiring dusting every couple years
• SCALE is perfectly capable of sitting in a corner and requiring periodic dusting

• We have a ticket for auto-bridge creation in the fall 24.10 release:

    

  https://ixsystems.atlassian.net/browse/NAS-127321
• You can keep running CORE. There will be a new version in Q4
• it's significantly stronger than it was 2 years ago when it was released
• Within the next 2 years, how far will SCALE advance?
• expect that in 2 years' time, it will be at least that much stronger again
• reliability and performance. (i.e. RAM usage (arc), SMB shares, resilvering, overall speed, etc.)
• performance is very comparable across the two
• The next version of Scale (Dragonfish) fixes the ZFS ARC issue
• for most use cases
• iXsystems has been contributing to
• a fix in the OpenZFS project
• 24.04-BETA1 has the fix to ARC
• Our Enterprise version of SCALE is predominately used by customers who only leverage NAS functionality
• more-so for home-labs with more "exotic" hardware
• NAS functionality is pretty much on par with the stability of CORE
• application layer access to the data is what makes a NAS a NAS
• Emphasis on the word "Application" in "application layer"
• just applications like Minio, Syncthing, Apache or Postgre
• samba, rsync, nfs, ftp and iscsi
• TrueNAS ships with some of the most common apps for a NAS
• How do your clients get to the NAS? Is it web accessible? Do you have a zero trust VPN like Tailscale? Another app. How are you hashing and verifying file transfers? Are you reading over SMB across your network or are you hashing files locally?
• An application like Syncthing needs to watch for file modifications
• pool of developers implementing fixes and updates is miniscule compared to the billions being spent on the Linux kernel
• BSD app selection is severely lacking
• BSD driver selection is severely lacking
• false dichotomy of BSD being some sort of virgin app free server
• Linux being a gaming rig
• NAS (Network Attached Storage) is meant to be a storage server with some storage protocols
• or more reasonably a dedicated low power computer that offers workstation-friendly storage protocols
• At iX most of our engineering staff are also heavy TrueNAS users for our own data
• demand rock-solid stability
• we've achieved this on SCALE
• For "core" NAS and storage functionality, its pretty darn stable
• we monitor all the tickets and bug reports
• we have the sample size and data to back that up
• updater is more or less identical to CORE with boot environments and everything
• no apt
• think of it as a read-only root "firmware" image
• squashfs image
• nicer than tarballs we used to do on CORE
• upgrades way faster
• vast majority of deployments are all small home labs
• including even on our own TrueNAS Mini
• *BSD as a whole has been lagging in HW support
• Network stack is far more developed on Linux (BPF) than *BSD
• Far more developers are in Linux than *BSD
• 100% true
• HW momentum and vendor support
• hardest work was bringing FreeBSD OpenZFS support up to speed with ZFS on Linux
• ahead of BSD for a while
• Most work on ZFS these days happens on Linux first, BSD is second
• iX got them synced up
• k3s CPU usage
• way too heavy, on that we agree
• Work ongoing to see if we can fix that
• for a more light-weight alternative
• looking at incorporating native docker
• NSpawn containers are part of the answer
• Our Enterprise products, including our highest end ones ship with SCALE now
• battle-tested
• rock-solid for any sort of storage workload
• said on other threads
• majority of issues
• apps and third party repos
• on the traditional NAS piece things have been relatively quiet and stable for some time
• ZFS on Linux has been rock solid

• TrueNAS CORE 13.3 will include the following updates:

    

  FreeBSD 13.3

    

  OpenZFS 2.2.3

    

  Samba v4.19

    

  Updates to SMART, Network UPS Tools (NUT), and other services

    

  Various security and bug fixes

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• the /s/ in that link
• redirects to a submission form, not a comment, in old Reddit
• on mobile
• Don't forget patching etc
• not EOL in isolation
• version of ZFS at https://www.truenas.com/community/posts/815049
• superior to the version that was integral to FreeBSD 13.1-RELEASE
• https://www.truenas.com/community/threads/samba-18-and-or-freebsd-14.113302/
• Scale is test bed, fixes/changes happen there first. If translating those changes to Core looks like it will cause instability or significant change to enterprise users, they don't happen
• thinking for changes in Core
• Right now the plan for CORE
• a maintenance-only type update which includes an update to the FreeBSD base, OpenZFS and Samba
• no plans for a FreeBSD 14-based TrueNAS at this time
• No new features
• Linux container users far out-scale Jail users
• Since introducing SCALE our growth numbers have shot through the roof
• I understand lots of folks have emotional attachments to jails
• upstream hardware and software vendors
• "Better" is completely subjective
• Nobody is clamoring to push the jail / FreeBSD equivalent
• ready and eager to hand you a Linux container or binary
• if we get anything FreeBSD native its usually begrudgingly and poorly tested/supported
• it falls on the vendor (us) to go and try to close the gap
• means not spending time on our actual product. Not very a very productive use of time
• Sorry, I didn't intend for it to be an EOL announcement
• to correct the record
• various threads I see going around and a lot of differing opinions
• CORE we still will maintain with updates for a while as their are large enough numbers of users on 13.1 to justify it
• We assumed there would be a handful of folks who can't bear the thought of a non-BSD based TrueNAS
• our best to make the OS kind of a non-factor
• unless you are a heavy jails user
• SMB/NFS/iSCSI and related "NAS" functionality will continue to function and be well (even better) supported
• I'm too lazy to administrate storage by hand again
• click buttons to do upgrades and not waste my weekends
• maintain the CORE edition for a long while
• more of a "Maintenance Mode" or "Sustaining engineering" announcement than an EOL
• feature work is all moving into SCALE
• not a 1:1 match of TrueNAS version number to FreeBSD
• Usually jumping major versions does present a lot of work for us to stabilize
• FreeBSD 13 is no issue
• never been a smooth transition
• enterprise hardening and all the little breakages that slip in related to ports and packages
• a lot of experience in both worlds
• jumping major Linux kernel versions has been a lot less churn overall than major FreeBSD jumps
• data is showing us that CORE will become non-viable at some point in the future
• Not officially yet
• soft warning
• SCALE is seeing roughly a 5x growth rate compared to CORE
• I do see just about all the issues
• my vantage point
• SCALE for NAS functionality (SMB/NFS/iSCSI) has been pretty much on par with CORE for stability
• rough edges on SCALE have indeed been Apps
• large quantities, third party catalogs, and heavy customization
• I expect will become a lot better in the next year or two

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• 09 Feb 2024
• Linux iptables stack isn’t really the same thing
• such a core part of the Senses is OpenBSD pf
• I do feel there’s going to be issues with FreeBSD
• recent trend in Intel and AMD new generation CPUs
• a lot of OS participation rather than UEFI/BIOS management of everything from CPU frequency to thread-to-core assignment
• Linux is far ahead of FreeBSD on that kind of new processor support
• (Former kernel engineer who’s worked on both BSD and Linux systems)
• I've been a FreeBSD committer
• gave up on FreeBSD because of poor hardware support, especially for modern hardware
• Intel has decided to stop releasing drivers for their consumer ethernet chips on FreeBSD
• enterprise/business ones are still getting drivers
• Netgate funded the development of the i225V driver that we now enjoy in both pfSense, OPNsense and TrueNAS Core
• increased development costs for Netgate
• they ship hardware with i225V chips
• Was that, an absolute stop, or introduction of something that was (or became) GPL-something?

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• Statement regarding employment change and roles in the Project
• Glen Barber
• Jun 20 16:22:09 UTC 2019
• move on from my role with the FreeBSD Foundation
• accepted a position within a prominent company that uses and produces products based on FreeBSD
• provisions within my job description
• allow me to continue supporting the FreeBSD Project
• including Release Engineering

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• Section "ServerFlags"  Option "IgnoreABI" "1" EndSection
• nvidia-hybrid-graphics-390
• nvidia-hybrid-graphics-390
• Section "ServerFlags"  Option "IgnoreABI" "1" EndSection

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• Setting up (Intel DRM).. Please wait..
• GhostBSD install / livecd should support Nvida Optimus · Issue #14 · ghostbsd/issues
• No NVIDIA
• AMD and Intel GPUs
• 1002:6740:106b:00f9 … AMD Whistler [Radeon HD 6730M/6770M/7690M XT]
• 8086:0126:106b:00de … Intel 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller

• when I load i915kms:

    
   
  • the OS continues to respond (over ssh)
   
  • SDDM freezes.

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